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A double mystery start of the week

A double mystery
Let's start the week with a double mystery: Jon Dudley has been trying to identify these pictures elsewhere but the results were interesting but inconclusive with many good ideas but no positive identification of these interesting cars. Maybe the readers can help? The photographs were purchased in Eastbourne by an expat friend over visiting the UK from the USA just a couple of weeks ago. It seems that the two pictures were taken at the same time, with one revealing an intriguing Veteran car behind the remarkable ‘racer’. This carries an early Surrey registration which I think ’ran out’ in 1913 although the small car must be ealier than that. It would be good to positively identify both cars...

Enjoy your week!


#9 Jon Dudley 2017-11-16 11:02
Another Jackson!Thanks for that Laurens. By the way, Richard Wheeler, the provider of the two photographs has come up with a link to the 'Car Illustrated' reference of 1910 -
#8 Laurens Klein 2017-11-15 12:38
As a 1909 Jackson owner myself, I looked at the photo but didn't think of a Jackson. Looking better now(after reading Ariejan his comment), I can see the similarities but this one looks much bigger than mine. Is that the photo or was it really.
Mine has a huge bonnet as well, but only has a monocylinder De Dion Bouton engine in it, which I think is 9hp. The diameter of the piston is 110 mm(If I remember correct). It runs well, has 3 gears and max speed is around 60 km/h.

A photo of the car can be found here:

A repair on the engine here:
#7 Jon Dudley 2017-11-15 12:24
Wow! what a detailed response...many thanks.
#6 David Barker 2017-11-14 18:55
Either the driver has very log legs or pedals are in a very funny place!
I am full of admiration for Ariejan's encyclopaedic knowledge of early cars! And I love the way he waits until a few other wild guesses have come forth before giving us the definitive answer!
#5 Ariejan 2017-11-13 22:38
You will be surprised to hear, that the impressive racer on the lead photo is a 1910 Jackson (from England) with just a 1 cylinder De Dion engine. The same photo appeared in the Car Illustrated of June 15, 1910 with the following text under the heading: A Unique Car:
From Mr. Guy St.B.S. Watkins, of Bishop's Waltham, we have received some interesting particulars of the car illustrated. “This car, a Jackson, was, and I believe still is, the only one of its kind in existence, anyway, in England. It is fitted with a De Dion single-cylinder engine of some 6 h.p., R.A.C. rating, but which develops something in the neighbourhood of 30 h.p. There are three sparking plugs firing the mixture at three different points at once, and a huge inlet and exhaust valve. In spite of the enormous stroke it runs like a multi-cylinder engine and is as smooth as possible. The carburetor has four jets.”
On the other photo, which was clearly made during the same session, of course the same Jackson racer, but the older car was sold as a Jackson too and is a Tourist from the year 1903. This car however is a rebadged 1903 Century from the US, where the runabout was sold as a Tourist too. Jackson additionally sold a dogcart version of this car, a typical adaption for the European market.
#4 Mark Dawber 2017-11-13 21:12
The early car is a Curved Dash Oldsmobile with a modified front. Hard to say which variant of the CDO though.
#3 Tom St.martin 2017-11-13 16:32
All I can add is a big WOW.
#2 William Hearne 2017-11-13 15:56
I think that the large Edwardian is an Iris.
#1 William Hearne 2017-11-13 08:11
The large car just might be an Iris which were built in the U.K. 1905-1915.

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