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About Quiz # 321: 1918 Hall 20.6 hp Landaulette (Upd. More info sought!)


1918-hall-321-1If your first thought was 'Lanchester' we can't blame you, as that was exactly what we thought when we first saw these photographs. But from our description it must have been clear that this was no Lanchester. Instead it was the amazing automobile built by H.E. Hall, who was a leading motor agency at the turn of the century. He was also certainly an original engineer as he came up with this mid-mounted side-valve flat-eight engine. Only two people, Frazer Sloan and John Robins, came up with the right answerl. From these two John's answer was the most complete as he wrote: "The Hall 20.6 hp Landaulette was a reputed one-off built by H E Hall and Co of Tonbridge Kent, in 1918 or 1919, this was an horizontal engined flat 8 intended to be a smooth running vehicle for cab or private duties. The engine was made by the company, but a Talbot radiator will be recognized and the rear axle is apparently Studebaker." Well done John, with this third correct answer you now join the ranks of our distinguished jury members!
The actual car still exists, It is now under restoration in Holland and is almost finished.
(with thanks to Leo Schildkamp for the quiz idea and the photo's)

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#8 Henk Leffers 2018-01-08 14:23
The Dutch Magazine ' Klassiek en Techniek' published a restauration article this month, januari 2018.

With kind regards,
Henk Leffers
 
 
#7 2014-09-15 18:33
I am writing an article on Talbots and their main Kent dealer, H E Hall & Co. for the STD Register. Ton, I may have a photo of the Talbot that Hall's radiator came off. I would be grateful if I could use some photos of the Hall in my article and also for any details of the chassis. Did Hall convert the Talbot 15hp chassis for his car? Many thanks
 
 
#6 2012-05-07 19:30
I've found the Hall in Nick Baldwin's 'A to Z Cars of the 1920's- but no photo. This says it had been fitted with a Studebaker back axle and mentions the 20.6hp flat eight engine. I must say the restoration seems to be an excellent job. It is amazing that a one- off like this has survived.
 
 
#5 2012-05-06 09:48
was this car part of a big collection in a field that was sold off years ago it looked like it had been in a fire
 
 
#4 2012-05-06 06:49
KN1 is a Kent registration that is still valid and is at present on a BMW 520d.
Graham.
 
 
#3 2012-05-05 22:22
The registration letters KN were issued by Kent County Council starting in August 1917, so the car could have been given "KN 1" as its registration number.

Source -

"A History of Motor Vehicle Registration in the United Kingdom" by L H Newall
ISBN 978-1-872686-32-5
 
 
#2 2012-05-05 20:22
As an addition to the above article.
We are the owners of the Hall now. It is completely restored and the car drove on the weddingday of our Son on 27th April 2012.
As we are informed by Mr.Mitchel himself, many years ago, when we were looking for parts of the Hall we are missing, he told us, that Mr.Hall started to built this car in 1911 of parts of several cars, only the motor he did make himself.We have got a box of Mr.Mitchel with the missing parts. On that box was standing Hall 1911. Before the first war, the car was almost ready, but because of the war he was hidden.
After the war he put electricity on the car en drove the car for about 4000 miles. David Burgess Wise made an article,in The Car,in 1969 which we have got from the library of Beaulieu. From Mr.Mitchel we have got one page of an article in The Autocar, February 22, 1919.
We have also an article of Motor Sport, May 1977, correspondent W.B., who talked to the son of Mr.Hall, telling the car was made during the first war.
Till now we donot know the exact date of the car Hall, on one picture we have the car-number KN 1. We tried to get more information on that car-numer, but till now no results. If somebody knows more, or have more information on this car and car-number we should like to have that also.

Hearing from some-one ???
Regards
Ton van Heesch
The Netherlands
 
 
#1 2012-05-05 10:04
Great! - This car was once owned by the VCC guru John Mitchell. I last saw it displayed "as found" in the center of a field during a VCC rally in the early 70's.
I am delighted to hear it is now being restored.
 

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