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About Quiz # 322: watch out for copying Wiki... (Upd. about the 'London' radiator)

straker squire_1910_15HP_460
Well, well, well, we never had expected this car sooo easy recognisable. A massive response to this fine Edwardian product.  Nineteen of all participants came up with the correct marque: Straker Squire. Of these eleven competitors came up with the correct year: 1910 .  Eight of those produced the correct denomination15HP.  Unfortunately for no less than three competitors was that they copied a mistake in Wikipedia saying this is five (???) valve car (intriguing concept though...!). probably this is a wiki-typo originating from SV or side valves...  Ben Hopkins didn't copy mistakes and in the end didn't need no more words to win than "The car depicted in Quiz #322 is a 1910 Mark 1 15hp Straker-Squire." 1910 being the only year this model was made, the Mk II was a foot longer. 

Further interesting remarks were about the racer history of Straker Squire mentioned by several:  
A  15 HP driven by Witchell took several records at Brooklands including the Flying Mile in 1910, and the same year saw class wins at the Aston Clinton, Caerphilly, Pateley Bridge and Saltburn Hill Climbs. Most notably a streamlined version known as PDQ achieved 95mph over a flying mile at Brooklands in the hands of H.R. Witchell in 1912.
Then there was a bunch of guys who came up with all kind of intimate details about the young lady taking a dive from the radiator cap. One thing is worrying us. The radiator is marked with London, while a 1910 car must be from the pre-London, Bristol production.  Who can explain this. Has the car a post 1918 (London) radiator? Or what?


#5 2012-05-22 19:19
This car has a 3- speed gearbox with conical coupling. On the engine is a stamp with september 21 1910. Motor nr 519.
#4 2012-05-21 22:01
Regarding radiator logos or emblems. Straker staring manufacturing Lorries and steam vehicles as early as1901 in 1906 they bought the license for the Cornilleau & St Beuve car from Paris by 1907 they produced their own car called the Shamrock by 1909 it was called Straker –Squire when Roy Fedden was made Chief Engineer until its demise in 1926 .All manufacturing was done at Fishponds Bristol By 1910 they had show rooms at Shaftesbury Avenue London. I can only presume they decided to add the London then.

Chronology order of badges were

1907 Shamrock (a motif representing a Shamrock)

1908 to early 1910 nothing

1910 late to 1912 embossed logo with London on the bottom

1912 late Entwined SS badge but wide

1913 Entwined SS Badge but narrower continued until 1926.

Kind Regards Graeme.
#3 2012-05-21 21:59
Hi Duco, While the Straker factory was at Fishponds, Bristol, their registered office was at 75 Shaftsbury Avenue London. Squire was the financier and he was in London so maybe that’s why they always had a London address even before the factory moved to Edmonton, North London. Even the early wood wheel cars had London on their hub caps. My car has an enamel badge on the radiator which just says Straker Squire, but on the dash there is a brass plate which says Sydney Straker, Squire &Co London, then at the bottom it says manufactured by Straker Squire Fishponds Bristol. Sorry I don’t know any more than that. Regards TG
#2 2012-05-20 11:56
This is a restored car, and the body style - without front doors - is in line with the 1910 period. This in turn suggests that the radiator is from a later model. To confirm that it's 1910 we would need to know that it has a 3-speed gearbox, as later models have four speeds.

Perhaps someone can enlighten us?
#1 2012-05-20 10:08
Five valve engines did exist, peugeot used a five valve configuration in their 1921 grand prix car (according to wiki), more recent 5 valve engines are found in the ferrari f355 and the bugatti eb110. Honda went as high as 8 valves per cylinder used in a motorcycle. It used oval cylinders to make room for all those valves.

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