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About Quiz # 327: 1917 Grant Six? Puzzled! (Upd. 1918!)

1917 grant_six_300It has Studebaker wings. Studebaker twin oval rear windows. It has hubcaps that look like Buick. It is showing certain Chevrolet features. However! Rarely ever we have seen this hesitation with the competitors. Only a handful dared to send in on this fairly regular, middle of the road tourer. Is it that hard? Yes ! We spent hours on literature and websources and succeeded to narrow down the problem. But not much more. For starters, the wings are smooth, while most candidates have profiled wings. So Studebaker is a candidate. But hey, try to find Studebaker hubcaps that look like these. Then the twin oval rear windows can be Studebaker; the whole roof and windshield set-up can be Studebaker too. But now find a Studebaker with the highly characteristic round hole in the chassic cover plate.... sigh !

The answers that came in
1917 Studebaker,
1918 Studebaker 'Light four'.
1925 Packard single six -03 4 door tourer.
1921 Chevrolet FB 50 „Baby Grand" Touring
19..   Gray Dort
1917 or 1918  Grant 
Competitors produced all kinds of evidence but no convincing photo. So we went further and left the beaten path. The breakthrough was finding the round holes both on Gray Dort and Grant. Gray Dort comes close but is a bit smallish. Now check this 1917 Grant Tourer or the 1918 Grant Six Model G. But we're no real experts. So we ask you to vote on one of the six options shown above.


#7 2012-07-30 00:17
Have a look at these pictures from a 1924 Gray-Dort with the hole in the sideboard right in the middle underneath the drivers door just like the picture in the quiz. Oval windows in the top were used by many different manufacturers. Often car makers bought their parts from several suppliers. In 1924 the radiator shape changed with a little vault like e.g. packard

Regards Fried Stol
#6 2012-07-29 22:31
After checking and double-checking I have come to the conclusion that the Grant-option seems the most probable solution and then most certainly the 1918 model. Both 1917 and 1919 models have straight bonnet lines (and the 1917 model indeed has the upright windshield). All other features but one equal the Grant 1918 (including the size of the car), the exception being the oval windows in the top. Although I noticed that car manufacturers often used tops with identical window forms, they were however not always consistent in this. The 1919 Grant has one big oval window, the 1918 restored model a broad window (and one could easily believe, that the latter was made out of two small oval windows??)
#5 2012-07-29 12:37
Does it have to be as early as 1917/18. Grant was in production until 1922, it is earlier than 1921, as that year cowl lights were introduced. The headlight shape looks like that fitted in 1920 (I haven't a picture of a 1919 car, but open cars from 1920 onwards appear to have had a single oval rear window. The number of spokes in the rear wheel is correct for a Grant (and probably many others!)
#4 2012-07-28 22:35
'18 Grant.
#3 Ace Zenek 2012-07-28 22:03
The twin oval windows would seem to preclude the Grant Six from contention. All contemporary literature from the 1917 - 1919 period for the Grant Six show a single large rectangular window.
#2 2012-07-28 02:22
...sigh, 1918 Grant six (1917 seems to have an upright windshield). The front bumper bar is not right but that's the closest I think which can approximate the car.
#1 2012-07-28 00:59
I'd agree with this being a Grant (well spotted!). Looking at the photos of the 1917 and the 1918, and as well a others, I can see that the headlamp buckets or rims are different. The quiz car looks closer to the 1918 style, but is hard to pick.

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