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About Quiz #398: 1903 C.G.V. 8 cylinder


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The car in Quiz #398 is a 1903 C.G.V. and the photo was found in The Car Illustrated magazine No. 46 April 8 1903. It was correctly identified by six participants,  who all knew it was one of the first eight cylinder engines and the makers thought the power would mean they could dispense with the gearbox.

Messrs. Charron, Girardot and Voigt were ingenious car makers and jury member Stuart Penketh sent in a most thorough answer, adding C.G.V were the first manufacturer to offer their customers (the French) left-hand drive cars, and that from 1905 they supplied directional acetylene headlights as standard.

It was jury member Ariejan Bos who correctly identified Carl Voigt as the driver and sitting beside him is Willard Evart-Hall, the sole agent for C.G.V. cars in Britain and South Africa. He writes, "The engine was designed especially to be so 'elastic' that the energy-consuming gear box could be avoided. Testing however indicated that for very low speeds and steep hills a low gear was absolutely necessary and besides the french law demanded a reverse gear. As the CGV-designers opted for a two speed and reverse planetary gear, the Horseless Age commented that in this way the car: "[...] is no more gearless than any of the present American runabouts"."

Anders Svenfelt has won twice before and correctly identifies the engine & gearbox details. Mark Dawber knew about the engine and gearbox and also correctly identifies the driver as Carl Voigt. Then we come to Jacques who not only gives details of the engine and gearbox but also knows the engine suffered problems with ignition and carburation and since he recognised Carl Voigt sitting in the car, we declare him the winner.  (Please send us your mail address and T-shirt size S, M, L, XL, XXL or XXXL and your prize will arrive in the post!)
Both Mark and Jacques thought  Léonce Girardot was the other occupant, so for them, here's a picture of him in the same car.

Our thanks to everyone who offered answers and we look forward to testing your knowledge again soon.

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Jury Member Location Information

Bart Oosterling NL
Bas de Voogd / Rutger Booy NL team
Bob Swanson USA Sports Cars & Racing Cars
Carleton Hughes USA
Ced Pearce South-Africa Ford & Cord
Chris Paulsen USA Brass Era (pre-1916) cars
David Green NZ
Dick Trenk (deceased 2010) USA US cars
Dominique Barbault F French Cars
Don Edwards USA US Classics
Eduard Hattuma NL
Fons Alkemade NL French automobiles
Frans Vrijaldenhoven NL Dutch Automobile Historian
Fried Stol NL
Hans Compter NZ
Harry Schley Germany
Henk Visscher NL Firsts in Car Industry
Ian Hayhurst Canada pre-1916 autos / early Mopar
Ingo Jost Germany German Cars
James Helms USA
João Pedro Gazineu Brazil
John Barringer UK
John Robins UK
Jon Baker Australia
José A. Gómez Argentina
Josef Kubista CZ
Joseph P. McCormick USA
Kit Foster USA US cars 1920-1960, Stanley Steamers
Kjetil Langsaether Norway
Lars-Göran Lindgren S brass era cars
Luke Chennel USA
Marc Fellman Australia
Mark Dawber NZ
Mike Clark GB Vintage Cars.
Mike Tebbett UK cyclecars
Mike Turner USA
Nicolas Boissier France
Paul Linster L French & Britsh sports cars
Peter Ransom Australia
Richard Armstrong UK
Radu Comsa Romania
Raul Valkila Finland
Reg Harris Australia Citroën and English cars
Robb Stewart USA early racing and sports cars
Robbie Marenzi Argentina
Roger Fields USA
Rutger Booy / Bas de Voogd NL team
Stuart Penketh Thailand
Theo Castricum NL US cars
Tom Chaney USA
Verner Johnson DK