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About What is it? Quiz #484: 1925 Slaby-Behringer

We received this photo from our friend Hans van Ingen Schenau, we never heard from this make before. But when we googled the make, it appeared much easier as we thought. We therefore decided it was a good quiz for last week, as the week before (Puzzle #197) we only received 2 good answers.

And our plan worked, we received no less than 14 answers. Of which 6 of them had a photo included. But what it is? A Slaby-Behringer. The information we got with the photo was: 'This is the original SB-Wagen, from the engineers Dr. Slaby and Behringer who built it in Berlin at the Markgrafendamm. Interesting is the "Knüppellenkung", who is steering the car. The car on the photo is with a DKW engine and had the nickname "Der kleine Bergsteiger'. and was able to drive 60 km/h.

First answer came from Kevin Atkinson: 'The nickname was der kleine Bergsteiger "The Little Climber".
Although many of their products used electric propulsion, it used a single cylinder stationary DKW engine mounted on the left hand running board.
It looked much like their earlier electric cyclecars but was an all-new design which proved prone to overheating and was quickly discontinued after just 2 prototypes were built. 
Both Slaby-Beringer and DKW were controlled by industrialist J. S. Rasmussen.'

Joop Terpstra sent us a photo of the young son Arne of J.S. Rasmussen behind the wheel of such a car.

Fritz Hegemann gave us some extra information: 'After a failed engagement in Japan (an earthquake destroyed there many imported cars) Slaby-Beringer was-taken over in 1924 by DKW and became the nucleus of the DKW car-production. The dispensable AWS Shopper was a later successor'

Erler Thomas told us the weight of the car: 250 Kgs and that the car is most likely from 1925. However others thought it was 1919/1920.

Jaap ter Linden said: 'Quite succesful, 1000 cars were exported to Japan. Different models, even a twoseater with three axles'

 

Slaby-Behringer or DKW?

Many answers were that the car is one of the first DKW cars. Our source however, is saying that it later became DKW(as Mr. Rasmussen owned both) and that this car was a real Slaby Beringer, but had a DKW engine in it. On the other hand, Michael Schlenger explained: 'The car is wrongly addressed as a Slaby-Beringer in the older literature (Werner Oswald), but DKW only used a body of a 2-seater of that manufacturer from Berlin.' Unfortunately, his source was offline and so we are still not sure. We hope Michael(or anyone else) can tell us more about this proposition.

Neil Beadle explained it also a bit: 'Using a Slaby-Beringer-Elektrowagen electric car as a starting point, engineers from DKW installed one of its two stroke auxiliary engines, developed from a Hugo Ruppe (founder of MAF cars) design, on the left running board.'. On the other hand, Robbie Marenzi said:', it looked a lot like the Slaby-Beringer cyclecar, Dr Jørgen Skafte Rasmussen had taken control of the company, but was in fact an independent design.'

 

The winner:

Well, although we thought it was easier than last week, it gave extra doubts. A Slaby-Behringer or DKW? And we therefore decided not to choose a winner yet. Please, if you are competing and you can tell us more about what car it really is (incl. reliable, available sources) please let us know!

Published:
Saturday December 8th, 2018
Raul Valkila
21 December 2018, 16:13
Popular Science, August 1920 issue has a Slaby-Beringer in the cover and an interesting article starting from page 66.

https://books.google.fi/books?id=YioDAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=1920%20popular%20science&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiRurLMibHfAhUIWiwKHauHDZYQ6AEISTAI&fbclid=IwAR2Wyu1f5jmMgT2jvk992dpGMhqOWiSKZHzeo3F0MsjgCey4Yq1iMkHn1MI#v=onepage&q&f=false
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Michael Schlenger
17 December 2018, 01:42
Still waiting for the bottom-line - probably like the other participants...
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Neil Beadle
10 December 2018, 17:18
To confuse things further, Eric Dymock's book, 'The Audi File' 1997 states that Ramussen's first production cars were exhibited at the 1923 Berlin Motor Show, 2 similar cars were shown, one electric powered and one with a 2 stroke motorcycle engine. These were developments of the Slaby Beringer electric car. Ramussen acquired Slaby Beringer GmBH in 1922 after the company went bankrupt. The car pictured in the book looks different to the Slaby Beringer and has the engine at the rear just in front of the rear axle. So probably, as Michael Schlenger states, the Quiz car is the prototype of this vehicle. So I would say it's a DKW and not a Slaby Beringer.
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Michael Schlenger
11 December 2018, 15:00
Indeed, the newly introduced SB car from 1923 was equipped with a rear-mounted DKW single-cylinder engine with 170cc capacity developing 2.5 h.p. In 1924 a final version with 206cc engine producing 4 h.p. was presented...

Source: Thomas Erdmann, DKW Automobile 1907 - 1945, 1st edition, 2012
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Fritz Hegemann
09 December 2018, 17:36
Dear prewarcar-team,

ok, I had to go to the cellar to find a certain article, a week ago I had been to lazy, I confess: now find here my solution, again in a hundred words:

This is certainly a car with the two-stroke DKW-engine (0.97 hp, 50 km/h, two-speed gearbox, hand-operated Kickstarter) in a Slaby-Beringer-(SB-)chassis, in the pictures and the article of S. Rauch (both attached) you better see the pointed radiator and also the other side of the car.
So my guess is – differently to S. Rauch- that we see a SB-car, not a DKW. In no source can be found that Rasmussen had marketed another car before the DKW P 15PS (1928-1929) under the make DKW. Rather, it can be assumed that this DKW-engined car remained a Slaby Beringer.

Best regards from the Nahe-valley!
Fritz

Sources
Siegfried Rauch: „Rasmussen und der SB-Wagen – eine späte Klarstellung“ in: Automobil und Motorrad Chronik 7/1981 – Fotos anbei!
https://auta5p.eu/lang/en/katalog/auto.php?idf=Slaby-Beringer-DKW-14597
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/DKW#Automobilbau_bei_DKW_vor_dem_Zweiten_Weltkrieg
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/DKW_Typ_P
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Robert Hafner
09 December 2018, 13:51
As the Company of Slaby Beringer went bankrupt and closed down in Septemebr 1924, the cars may be sold thereafter as DKW.
So either it ia a 1924 SB or a 1925 DKW
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Fried Stol
09 December 2018, 01:22
Dr. Rudolf Slaby (son of professor Slaby co-founder of Telefunken) and engineer Behringer were manufacturing small motor vehicles from 1921 till 1924 in Berlin-Spandau. The very tiny 0,25 hp Electric driven four wheeled one-seated car was regarded at the time as smallest car made in Germany. It had a self-supporting plywood body (which he used in his aircraft design in World War One) of Slaby’s design. Later the Slaby-Behringer car became a 3 Hp DKW built-in motor. In 1924 the Slaby-Behringer automotive Gmbh fell in bankruptcy. J.S. Rasmussen took over the small factory and turned it into the Berlin branch of Zschopauer motor works (DKW).

Source; Deutsche Auto’s 1920-1945 by Werner Oswald Eine Typengeschichte
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Robbie Marenzi
08 December 2018, 23:25
Wouldn't the D.K.W. advertisement that clearly has the puzzle car on it, and we know they only made 1 or 2, be enough to prove the car was not a Slaby-Beringer?
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Michael Schlenger
10 December 2018, 00:29
100% agreed. This vehicle was meant to be the first DKW motorcar.
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Gerd Klioba
08 December 2018, 21:33
Have a look at the attached scan from Immo Sievers' Rasmussen book. There you can see the early DKW logo showing a volcano. It is the same logo as in the third and fifth photo in your article. So this car clearly is a DKW. The fourth of your photos is an old ad calling the car Der kleine Bergsteiger a DKW. What more of a proof do you need?
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Michael Schlenger
10 December 2018, 00:31
This is a fantastic piece of evidence, Georg, further supporting the DKW thesis.
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Daniel Granja
18 October 2021, 01:03
I agree with this! The DKW logo is there, it is a real first DKW car.
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KEVIN Atkinson
11 December 2018, 09:07
Interesting logic. You could just as easily say that since the DKWs had the badge and the original mystery car doesn't, then it clearly can't be a DKW
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Michael Schlenger
11 December 2018, 14:52
Kevin, the fifth photo clearly shows the car from the DKW advertisement and there one can recognize the badge on the pointed "radiator".
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Thomas Ulrivh
08 December 2018, 13:29
Sorry I forgot my sources. The books are DKW Automobile 1907 - 1945 from Thomas Erdmann and Jørgen Skafte Rasmussen Leben und Wek des DKW Gründers from Immo Sievers. Both books are from the publisher Delius Klasing in Germany.
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Thomas Ulrich
08 December 2018, 12:41
Jørgen Skafte Rasmussen met Rudolph Slaby 1919 in Berlin, when Slaby showed the prototype of his Electric single seater with a wooden monocoque body. Rasmussen saw the potential,and ordered 100 complete cars. Slaby partnered with Hermann Behringer to produce the cars. Because of the beginning inflation time they couldn’t deliver the cars for the agreed price. Rasmussen became partner in the firm which was now called the SB Automobile Gesellschaft. The car on your photo was not a SB, but was engineered at the DKW works in Zschopau. Different to the SB cars the car had two seats(tandemseating) and a twostroke engine. The engine sat on the running board and delivered the power via chain to the rearwheel. Only one or two of them where built. It was planned tu manufacture the car. That’s why there are adverts of the car. The car was called DKW and also because of the ability to climb hills „Der Kleine Bergsteiger“. But a serial production was not made and in 22-23 The SB car was delivered with a DKW engine, too. So,this car was the first DKW car.
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Michael Schlenger
08 December 2018, 08:48
In my opinion, it's pretty obvious that this car was meant to be a DKW, but never made it into production. As I've written, it appeared in a DKW advertisement from around 1920 (see attached photo). They appear to have used the body of a Slaby Beringer electric car for the prototype, that's why it's wrongly adressed as a Slaby-Beringer in Werner Oswald's book. Sources:

https://michisoldtimer.com/2009/10/19/der-kleine-bergsteiger-7193636
https://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/2014-43/solved-wendax-1313-dkw-der-kleine-bergsteiger
https://dkwautounionproject.blogspot.com/2017/07/dkw-germanys-wonder-car.html
https://books.google.de/books?id=FrpsDAAAQBAJ&pg=PT174&lpg=PT174&dq=dkw+kleine+bergsteiger&source=bl&ots=gnwMmv6A3U&sig=54ruQ-bKd5O-zkcrqO3iwwp04yE&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwirpM7W3I_fAhUK_KQKHX0QAPMQ6AEwCXoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=dkw%20kleine%20bergsteiger&f=false
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