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One granddad, four mystery cars..! (update: Overland, Pratt (-Elkhart), Model T, Velie?)

It’s always special to have a photograph of your grandfather with a car—especially when it takes us all the way back to the Brass Era. Bob Apalsch from Alaska takes this tradition several steps further. He has shared no fewer than four wonderful photos of his grandfather, Joseph Young, posing with four different cars. The pictures were taken in Michigan between 1910 and 1914.

Clearly, Bob’s passion for vintage automobiles runs in the family—it’s in his DNA. The evidence is right here. But there’s just one small challenge: none of the cars in the photos have been identified. That’s where you come in.

 

Take a close look and tell us what you see. For reference, let’s call the car at the top Car A and the three below it Cars B, C, and D. To our eyes, A, B, and D look rather similar—but Bob is convinced they are all different. We’re eager to learn what you think!

 

Originally published on February 18, 2013

 

Published:
Monday September 1st, 2025
Alex Gow
01 September 2025, 12:24
B and D are the same 1912 Pratt-Elkhart. Look at the fabricated front axle.
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Unknown
26 February 2013, 20:15
Hi Ariejan Bos, i have seen such a windshield on a 1910 Buick. Is it maybe a aftermarket Windshield? I have sent a foto to prewarcar.
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Unknown
22 February 2013, 19:24
I would like to suggest a 1911 or 1912 Pratt(-Elkhart) as the make of photo B. Although I cannot find a full match, there are some characteristic details which can be found on cars of this make: the shape of the radiator (though the width of the radiator on the mystery photograph looks rather small), the shape and appearance of the front-axle and also these charateristically shaped handles on the upper part of the windshield (which I haven't seen on any other car till now).
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Unknown
21 February 2013, 16:06
Re post #12, I may know even less than Tony when it comes to 100-year-old cars, but it's been fascinating to watch the experts at work. And when you look closely, there are lots of differences - lhd or rhd, height of windshield, position of spare tires, rear fender lines, etc. Of course, it doesn't make the quiz any easier when Grandpa is sitting on the hood and hiding the grille!
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Unknown
20 February 2013, 22:51
Not knowing anything abour early American cars from around 1910 - I am fascinated how similar they are - at first look A,B and D could all have been built by the same company!

Tony.
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Unknown
20 February 2013, 18:25
B looks very Buick-like to me - about 1910 perhaps?
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Unknown
20 February 2013, 09:22
Ian your wright, A is a 1911 Reo and B is a mystery, the windshieldframe looks like a 1910 Buick, the radiator is too round for an Overland, so what?
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Unknown
20 February 2013, 03:13
I'll stick with 1911 Reo on Car A. 1912 had different rear fenders, no bead on the rear door, a vent under the windshield, no bar between frame horns, interior door handles instead of the exterior style on this car (rear).
Car B is not an Overland--it doesn't have the characteristic oval rad cap. The shape of the top tank doesn't say Overland to me, either.

All good guesses--the devil is in the details on these mysteries. At least we're agreeing on C being a T! I agree with the '12 Torpedo.
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Unknown
19 February 2013, 22:40
I think the D car is more like a 1910 Velie.
Note what appears to be an A.O. Smith ( the frame manufacturer)( stamped from plate and riveted together) front axle on the B car, rules out Overland.
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Unknown
19 February 2013, 17:10
A= Reo 1912
B= Overland 1910
C= Ford Model T torpedo 1912
D= Cadillac 1910
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Unknown
19 February 2013, 12:02
I think A is an Overland and D a Cadillac (30?)
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Unknown
19 February 2013, 03:00
The editor should recognize Car C from the steering wheel alone.
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Unknown
19 February 2013, 01:47
The roadster (car C)is a Ford T of about 1916 and the others are all the same Overland of about 1912.
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Unknown
19 February 2013, 01:44
Car A appears to be a 1911 Reo model R and a later one at that with the front doors.
I agree with Bob that cars A, B, and D are different automobiles.
Car C, the roadster, has rather small looking rear wheels and hubs. I'm going to say it's a Model T Torpedo.
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Unknown
19 February 2013, 01:40
Bob is correct in my opinion. A is left-hand drive, B and D are right-hand drive but they have different windscreens, so since C is a Ford, we're looking at four different cars, are we not? I'll leave the identification of A, B and D to others.
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Unknown
19 February 2013, 00:18
C is the easiest to identify..1912 Model T Ford Torpedo Runabout
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