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What type of car this is?

Who can tell me what type of car this is? All I know about the photo is that is was probably taken in the Diemen (Amsterdam) region, as that is where the license plate was registered.

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Wednesday September 4th, 2019
Hergen Deuter
08 September 2019, 22:33
Straightening the sides of the photo reproduction, you can easily identify the car as a Benz, most likely a 27/70. Frame, radiator, wheels even the additional lights directed to the side match exactly. What seems to be a B at the hubcap on the first view is only a light reflection on the typical BENZ-Logo.
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Jaap ter Linden
05 September 2019, 23:19
Hans Mai, Stoewer Automobile 1896-1945, vom einzelzylinder zum achtzylinder. page 59. Exactly the same car !
Only with a different coachwork
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Michael Schlenger
06 September 2019, 12:55
Sorry, Jaap, but you are utterly wrong with your assessment. The Type D5 in the book on Stoewer motorcars mentioned by you, features the typically rounded and slightly slanted radiator which this manufacturer used. It has hardly anything in common with the Benz-like radiator on the car in the photo. What's more, the manufacturer's logo is entirely different.
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Jaap ter Linden
05 September 2019, 14:21
I'am, quite covinced it is a Stoewer D5. Perhaps from 1921
The Stoewer had 12 spoke wheels and external shiftlever. The radiator is very convincing Stoewer.
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Michael Schlenger
05 September 2019, 16:14
No, we can absolutely rule out a Stoewer. They used a completely different radiator in the early 1920s and also their logo looked entirely different. See my comprehensive Stoewer gallery showing lots of original cars from that era, in particular D-Types of all sizes: https://vorkriegs-klassiker-rundschau.blog/bildergalerie-nach-marken-3/stoewer/
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Jos van Genugten
05 September 2019, 16:13
Do you have reference pictures? I can’t find any where the radiator is convincingly the same, Stoewer seems to have more a round radiator, i can’t clearly see it but behind the right headlighr seems to be a sharp ‘fold’ in the radiator mantle.
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Chris Neumeier
05 September 2019, 14:18
Hi there,
i don't think it's a Brennabor, due to the shape of the top end of the radiator, the postion of the battery box, the twelve spoke wheels and the sheer size of the car. I think it's much more likely a Benz 27/70, which has every feature of the car in question, and is quite a huge vehicle. By the way, the "B" lettered wheel cap fits in perfectly.
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Jos van Genugten
05 September 2019, 16:17
Benz 27/70 seems to match well in this picture specifically:
http://tikobv.nl/images/MB/clip_image111.jpg

Although i’m not convinced on radiator shape, but it might be a little distorted in the photo. The benz radiator looks more straight up instead of slanted back. But then again, the headlights look slanted back as well which should not be correct.
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Michael Schlenger
06 September 2019, 12:58
The radiator looks slightly slanted simply due to the angle from which the photo of the original print was taken. That's why I advocate a proper scan of the print which should enable us to take a closer look at the radiator badge.
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Jaap ter Linden
05 September 2019, 13:52
Stoewer D5 perhaps ?
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Jens Hansen
04 September 2019, 15:31
I think it´s a Spyker C4
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Robbie Marenzi
04 September 2019, 14:48
Brennabor Typ P (1919/1925) pictured car has external gear shift lever, which means it was made before 1925.
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Jos van Genugten
04 September 2019, 16:50
Thank you, you seem to be on a good track. The biggest difference I see in most type P Brennabors I can find is that this car has 12 spoke front wheels. Do you know if these cars used those as well?
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Robbie Marenzi
04 September 2019, 20:44
It's amassing how little is known about Brennabor and how so few car remain of the once largest car producer in Germany.
I don't know about the 12 spoke wheels, but the pictured car definitely has a "B" on the hubcap.
I may be wrong, but I believe the only model with the V radiator was the Typ P.
According to the link below de.wikipedia, the external gear shift lever was moved to the interior of the car after 1925.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brennabor_Typ_P
https://vorkriegs-klassiker-rundschau.blog/brennabor-once-the-largest-german-car-producer/
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Michael Schlenger
05 September 2019, 09:26
I am not sure that this car is a Brennabor P Type. Indeed, early examples had a v-shaped radiator mask, but the hubcaps and wheel studs looked different. Moreover, all Brennabor P types on the photos from my collection feature just ten instead of twelve wheel spokes (see my Brennabor gallery: https://vorkriegs-klassiker-rundschau.blog/bildergalerie-nach-marken-3/brennabor). Last but not least, the badge on the radiator doesn't look right (should be a single letter "B"). Probably it was a larger car from a more obsure German manufacturer, like Beckmann, for example. A proper scan of the original photo would certainly help identifying it.
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Jos van Genugten
05 September 2019, 15:10
Thank you Michael, I do see the radiator shape, outer gear lever and the bent front axle as good signs it might be a Brennabor, although you see similarities in many German brands even Benz.
I got this picture from the grandson of the person laying on the right fender, lets see if I can obtain a better quality photo.
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Michael Schlenger
05 September 2019, 16:09
Neither the shape of the radiator, nor the position of the gear lever or the number of the wheel spokes is Brennabor-specific. Many German marques used a Benz-like radiator in the early 1920s and you could even buy ones as aftermarket pieces for pre-WW1 cars with flat radiator. I've got dozens of photos in my collection showing unidentified carswith similar features. The only way to find out the manufacturer of this car is obtaining a high resolution scan of the radiator badge.
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