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Alfa Romeo’s beautiful 2300 8C engine is considered as one of the greatest engine designs of before the War. So what if you had one? The reason for asking in the first place is that RM Sotheby’s has one to sell during their Monterey sale.

 

Alfa Romeo 8C engine

 

How does that come about, one wonders? Well, it’s part of a collection of several 8Cs and was retained as a spare. It was once mated to the 8C 2300 Monza of 1932 vintage wearing chassis number 2111037, which was one of the works cars with Spider body entered in the 1932 Mille Miglia. Several owners and years later, the car was crashed in Belgium, only to be restored some 40 years later.

The next restoration was to take place another 34 years later, in 2011, when the car was bought by collector Peter Giddings. Auto Restorations Ltd. of Christchurch, New Zealand was chosen to carry out the job, and they removed the engine, which is said to have been rebuilt with a new crankshaft at that time and retained by Giddings as a spare. So what does the car use now? Well, since it will be sold in the same auction we easily learn that ‘In view of Mr. Giddings intention to race his Monza, a replacement Jim Stokes-manufactured engine was fitted, the car retaining this power unit today’.

Shouldn’t it stay with the car? RM concludes: “A representative of the design that took Alfa Romeo to the winner’s circle at the Mille Miglia, Le Mans, and numerous Grand Prix races, this 8C engine could serve as a possible spare for a dedicated vintage racer; alternatively, it would be a unique display piece for a discriminating collector.” Let us hope it finds a good new home.

 

Words by Jeroen Booij. Pictures by Courtney Frisk ©2021 Courtesy of RM Auctions.

 

Published:
Thursday August 5th, 2021
Steve Diggins
08 August 2021, 10:35
Has anybody checked the alloy of these items? It has been done before to determine what is a new fake and what is an old original.
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Jack Braam Ruben
07 August 2021, 10:25
I can only agree with Michael D. Read the text. Look at the estimate. And read the names of the people involved. Then it all becomes clear.
It’s OK to buy a wannebe. But be open and honest about it. Problem is people buy a fake ( sometimes using a few original bits ) and years later suffer from amnesia. It’s all about 3 things. Provenance, Provenance and Provenance.
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Rob in Argentina
06 August 2021, 15:22
I would not step into dealing in Argentina with those bandits if it was free. Their renditions of 8cs are comical, worthless and 100% wrong. It’s a trick to the eye. New Zealand and stokes are a different ball game , night and day.
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John Bates
06 August 2021, 09:28
What would I do with it? Sell it! It wouldn't be appropriate in my pre-war Morris 10.
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Michael D.
05 August 2021, 14:36
May I recommend Mr. Mark Roberts to digest the exhaustive description of the AR Monza 8C # 2111037 by RM Auctions ? According to that information, the car to be offered at auction may very well be considered being a 'reconstruction' (i.e. 'recreation') already as it is, including it's chassis. So why bother taking it to Pur Sang after buying it? You can order one right now (have a look at their website). Why wanting to have two, other than wishing to have 'two cars with the same chassis number...both would be correct" . So I concur with Peter Giles. Do we really need more 'reproductions' of 'revocations' that are being passed off as 'the original? Have your recreations for all I care, but be and stay honest about it.
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Pieter Veenje
05 August 2021, 13:19
Such a machine for display piece, it must be forbidden. It needs to be on the track.
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Mark Roberts
05 August 2021, 12:29
I'd buy the car and it's original engine. I'd then send it to "Pursang" and ask them to recreate "2111037" so I could have two cars with the same chassis number, both of which would be correct. Then I'd sell them as a matching pair...
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peter giles
05 August 2021, 11:22
old number 1 all over again, someone will rebuild a car around the engine and it will become the "original one"
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